{"id":940503,"date":"2018-05-18T10:02:37","date_gmt":"2018-05-18T00:02:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bikeme.tv\/?p=940503"},"modified":"2018-05-18T10:59:34","modified_gmt":"2018-05-18T00:59:34","slug":"2018-triumph-bonneville-bobber-black-2018-indian-scout-bobber-a-tale-of-two-bobbers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bikeme.tv\/index.php\/2018-triumph-bonneville-bobber-black-2018-indian-scout-bobber-a-tale-of-two-bobbers\/","title":{"rendered":"2018 TRIUMPH BONNEVILLE BOBBER BLACK & 2018 INDIAN SCOUT BOBBER \u2013 A TALE OF TWO BOBBERS"},"content":{"rendered":"

PHOTOGRAPHY BY NICK EDARDS\/HALF LIGHT PHOTOGRAPHIC<\/strong><\/p>\n

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I have aligned them like Saturn and Jupiter.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

Sometimes the planets align.<\/p>\n

And sometimes, they align in my garage, which makes me suspicious and tetchy.<\/p>\n

So on this day there were two Bobbers aligned planet-like behind the roller door, and I was very suspicious and tetchy.<\/p>\n

The only possible and legal way to alleviate my suspicions and calm my tetchiness was to take them both out and ride them back to back.<\/p>\n

The other way was to take drugs and consort with loose women, so I left that as a fall-back position.<\/p>\n

So two Bobbers. One from the USA and one from England. Both wearing badges wreathed in nouveau-heritage \u2013 and I was OK with that. I hope all the great brands are resurrected the way these two have been. The motorcycling world is richer for having late model Triumphs and Indians in it \u2013 and all you old school weirdos grizzling about how neither of them are the Real Deal, wheel your Zimmer frames over there, adjust your wee-smelling tracksuit pants over your failing hips, and be quiet.<\/p>\n

Now since I cannot ride two bikes at once, I called upon young Harry Warne to assist. Harry is 22-years old. I have T-shirts older than him. But he rides well, loves motorcycles like all of us proper retards, and knows nothing about Bobbers or cruisers. So he was perfect as a bike mule.<\/p>\n

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“Don’t stare at him, Harry. He’ll be even more confused than he already is.”<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

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The pushbike riders are off to report me to the cops. Bless.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

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I tried not to make this one a bushfire hazard.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

But before I start with the eeny-meeny-miney-mo thing, I will offer a brief summation of the term \u201cBobber\u201d.<\/p>\n

No, the bearded women did not invent this term.<\/p>\n

It is an American term which applied to Harleys which had been \u201cbobbed\u201d back in the late 40s. One could consider one\u2019s bike \u201cbobbed\u201d when one had taken off all the extraneous stuff, shortened the back guard (bobbed the tail) and removed the front guard. This bobbing process served two purposes back then.<\/p>\n

The first was that if you took a whole bunch of stuff off your Flathead\/Knucklehead\/Panhead\/Shovelhead, then it wouldn\u2019t fall off by itself.<\/p>\n

The second was that you would change the appearance of the bike. It would look tougher, and so, by extension, would you.<\/p>\n

So there was really no reason not to turn everything into a Bobber back then.<\/p>\n

In this Year of our Lord 2018, motorcycles no longer shed parts as you ride along, and no-one is allowed to be properly tough anymore because it\u2019s against the law.<\/p>\n

But faux toughness is fine and encouraged. Like women with beards.<\/p>\n

Enter the new Bobber \u2013 a clever styling exercise by both Triumph and Indian, which actually transcends the aesthetic intent by both factories.<\/p>\n

So there is style with substance here.<\/p>\n

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That rear cradle set-up on the Triumph works very well. But no pillion.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

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The more traditionally-sprung Scout will take a pillion pad, but don’t be strapping anything to that metal bar thingy at the end of the guard. The tyre will eat it.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

GENERAL PRINCIPLES<\/strong><\/p>\n

I reviewed the Scout Bobber HERE<\/a>. And I reviewed the Triumph Bobber HERE<\/a>. Then my mate, Sean Rainford, gave us an outlaw’s perspective on it HERE<\/a>.<\/p>\n

The Triumph Bobber Black is a variation on the original Bobber, like the Scout Bobber is a variant of the Scout. The difference between the two Triumphs is less cosmetic than it is mechanical, while the Indian\u2019s is the other way around, more cosmetic differences than mechanical.<\/p>\n

But what we have here are two takes on a common theme.<\/p>\n

Both succeed in different ways and while I might prefer one bike over the other, that does not mean you will have the same preference.<\/p>\n

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The LED headlight is great, and Triumph make the best bar-end mirrors in the world.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

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The nacelle is a styling win, but the headlight would benefit from LED goodness. It can also come with bar-end mirrors if you prefer.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

Interestingly both bikes have the same pluses \u2013 great engines, top-notch finish, and a simple purity to their lines which address the intended design brief quite well.<\/p>\n

Even more interestingly, they have pretty much the same minuses\u2026well, maybe minuses is not the right word. After all, these are not faults or issues. They are simply characteristics of this type of bike.<\/p>\n

Firstly, I\u2019m not interested in touring on either of them. Both seats are entirely indifferent in looking after you over long periods of time. One is not worse than the other, and the length of time it took for my nethers to go numb was about the same on both. Around town or for short Sunday squirts, they\u2019re fine. And you can of course ride long distances. The bikes are capable of sitting on 120km\/h all day. The question you must ask is, are you?<\/p>\n

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Simple, functional old school analogue with some LCD action.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

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The Bobber’s jobbie is much the same, but you can tilt it flat or stand it up like this. I’m not sure why this is a thing. But it is.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

Naturally, their fuel range is linked to long-distance comfort. There ain\u2019t much of either. The Trump holds nine litres, the Indian 12.5. You\u2019ll be spending a lot of time in servos.<\/p>\n

And the follow-on effect is of course luggage-carrying ability \u2013 or complete lack thereof.<\/p>\n

Both the Indian and the Triumph are the same here. Except I think the Indian may well destroy anything you try and affix to the rear of the bike. That rear tyre will go through the hole where the mudguard used to be and devour your luggage. The Triumph? Well, it will simply throw your luggage into oncoming traffic if you try and tie it to the moving rear guard. It will be hilarious. You should do it and film it on your phone.<\/p>\n

But day-tripping bikes don\u2019t need luggage-carrying ability. Just so you know.<\/p>\n

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Yes, I know. Smile more.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

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I’m smiling in this one.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

So let\u2019s look at the numbers\u2026<\/p>\n

The Indian makes 97.7Nm at 6000rpm and 100 horses.<\/p>\n

The Triumph makes 106Nm at 4000rpm, and 76 horses.<\/p>\n

So the Pom is a little punchier a little earlier in the rev-range, but the Indian certainly starts swinging as the speed rises.<\/p>\n

Both engines are wonderfully responsive and go hard off the line. It quite hard to split them there.<\/p>\n

The Indian weighs 242kg dry and has a wheelbase of 1.56m.<\/p>\n

The Triumph sits dry on the scales at 237.5kg and is 1.51m long.<\/p>\n

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It’s got some aggro to it.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

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And this is so much tougher than the normal Scout.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

There\u2019s not much between them there either, which accounts for their handling similarities. I might point out they are both improved out of sight by the addition of the Fox suspension options offered by both manufacturers.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m not going to bitch about ground clearance because it is entirely disingenuous to do that. These are cruisers. They cruise. You go hog wild trying to impress the girls and you\u2019ll leave bits of bike behind. Same as it ever was.<\/p>\n

Happily, they both have a good deal of integrity when you\u2019re arcing them into bends. They will hold the line you want even as they\u2019re shedding bits of their footpegs in fiery glory.<\/p>\n

Young Harry, who had never really ridden a cruiser in anger, was setting his shoulders to pass comment on the ground clearance.<\/p>\n

\u201cWhat do you know about single malt Scotch?\u201d I asked, heading him off at the pass.<\/p>\n

\u201cNot much,\u201d he admitted.<\/p>\n

\u201cHave you spent countless hours in the company of loose women, gunfighters, broken motorcycles, and violent policemen?\u201d<\/p>\n

He shook his head.
\n\u201cDo you imagine your views on ground clearance would move me?\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cNot at all,\u201d he grinned.<\/p>\n

Smart kid, that one.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s only because he likes to murderise corners on his MT-09, that the lesser lean angles on the two Bobbers unsettled him.<\/p>\n

\u201cThe engines are great, aren\u2019t they?\u201d he offered. \u201cThey\u2019ve got a bit of punch.\u201d<\/p>\n

Like I said, he\u2019s a smart kid.<\/p>\n

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Harry needs to buy an open-face helmet.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

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So his Resting Cruiser Face can be seen<\/strong>.<\/p><\/div>\n

HOW DO THEY DIFFER FROM THEIR BASE MODELS?<\/strong><\/p>\n

The Triumph Bonneville Bobber Black (that\u2019s its full name) has had quite a few tweaks from the original Bobber. The front wheel is smaller (16-inch), which has made it steer a little slower, and I am not a fan of that. I preferred the handling of the original. But then this one has twin Brembos hauling on 310mm discs up front, 47mm Showa forks, cruise control, and a killer LED headlight with \u00a0hell-sexy running lights. And it\u2019s been en-blackened. So if I had to pick between the original Bobber and this one, it would be this one, and slightly quicker steering be damned. We aren\u2019t out doing track days on it, are we?<\/p>\n

The Indian Scout Bobber now looks a whole lot more aggressive that its Scout progenitor. But the differences are mainly cosmetic and ergonomic, apart from the much better dampened cartridge forks.<\/p>\n

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Yes, there were sparks here too.<\/p><\/div>\n

It\u2019s been lowered by 26mm (remember we aren\u2019t doing track days on this either), the footpegs have been moved 38mm closer to the rider, the handlebars are wider and the back guard has been sawed off in true Bobber style. Oh, and the seat is said to be more comfortable, but that is a relative concept on both of these bikes. I have been with Scouts that have been ridden to Alice Springs, so anything is doable. But as I stated earlier, neither of these bikes is going to overwhelm you with bum-comfort.<\/p>\n

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They missed a few bits with the black paint.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

THE RIDING OF THE BOBBERS<\/strong><\/p>\n

In real terms, terrible people like me, and feckless, rampant youths like Harry, are always going to push bikes like this harder than an owner will ever ride them. Brother Silverback\u2019s missus has a Triumph Bobber she adores, and she looks at me blankly when I ask her about ground clearance and comfort.<\/p>\n

But they do work well on the road despite their lack of Gixxer lean angle.<\/p>\n

Normally, bikes with fat 16-inch front wheels don\u2019t embrace corners. Both of these bikes have been engineered so that they tip in easier than you\u2019d think and hold a line better than you\u2019d imagine. They\u2019re also suspended well enough not to give you conniptions by wallowing or weaving alarmingly if you hit a bump mid corner, which is always good.<\/p>\n

I thought the brakes on the Triumph were a good deal better than the rather oak-like single-disc set-up on the Scout Bobber. Indian should bung another disc on there, I reckon.<\/p>\n

Ergonomically, they\u2019re again very similar, but the Scout is a touch more more feet-forward.<\/p>\n

Both feel small and light. This is an anomaly in Cruiser World. And the seats are so low, even Tyrion Lannister could get his Game of Thrones on. If you\u2019re lacking long, sexy legs, this is where you need to be bike shopping.<\/p>\n

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My long supermodel legs fit. But short-legged people will fit much better.<\/p><\/div>\n

WHICH ONE WOULD I CHOOSE?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I guess it comes down to the look and feel of the two packages. As it should in this genre of bike. People who are buying these are buying them more for the evocative way they massage their style glands, rather than how they handle a decreasing radius right-hander they\u2019ve entered at 200 and are now praying to Jesus they\u2019ll be able to exit without dying in every way possible.<\/p>\n

Aesthetically, they are worlds apart.<\/p>\n

The Triumph Bobber Black, while paying lip-service to its back-in-the-day predecessor, is a much cobbier and tougher-looking bike. The old ones where a bit spindly and insectile. And I very much like the way these 21st<\/sup> century Bonneville variants strut their stuff. Maybe the old petrol tanks were a little sexier, but you squint a bit and these ones are just fine. I\u2019m a fan of the entire T120 range. Triumph has really nailed it with this platform.<\/p>\n

Over the pond, the Spirit Lake folks are also dealing with a great platform. The Scout Bobber is a far more modern-looking take on the Bobber concept. It\u2019s a little awkward about the exhaust pipes, but bikes like these are always blank canvasses for people like me. Those stock headers would be off before I took delivery of it. There are some very nice aftermarket options out there for the Scout.<\/p>\n

Stylistically, I very much prefer the Bobber to its Scout Daddy.<\/p>\n

But would I choose the English over the American?<\/p>\n

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This is me wracked with indecision.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

You know, I don\u2019t know. I can\u2019t decide.<\/p>\n

There were times when I loved the Triumph because it took me back to the days when I owned a 79 Tiger and took girls to wine bars because wine made their panties fall off. Objectively, the Bobber Black is a handsome, rugged-looking motorcycle. Of course you can never carry a pillion on one, but that is not always a negative.<\/p>\n

But then there were days when the Indian sang to me \u2013 and it can carry a pillion. I loved its neo-hooligan lines, and the fact it pastes VRODs off the lights. When I looked at it, I saw a lot of potential in its bones, and I could visualise a long and happy customising vibe. Not so much this with the Triumph, which has sprung fully formed from the factory.<\/p>\n

So the backyard bike-builder in me had a thing for the Indian.<\/p>\n

Happily, this is not a decision I have to make.<\/p>\n

This is a decision you have to make if you\u2019re inclined to buying a Bobber.<\/p>\n

And I\u2019m not the boss of you.<\/p>\n

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Same same, but different.<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n

You may view the Triumph Bobber Black\u2019s full specs HERE<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n

You may view the Indian Scout Bobber\u2019s full specs HERE<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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